004: Noelle Ward | Parent-Child Communication 101

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Welcome to Sex Positive Families where parents, caring adults, and advocates come to grow and learn about sexual health in a supportive community. I’m your host, and the founder of SPF, Melissa Carnagey. Join me, and special guests, as we dive into the art of sex-positive parenting. Together, we will shake the shame and trash the taboos to strengthen sexual health talks with the children in our lives. Thank you so much for joining us! 

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“Hello, Families! Today’s episode is all about communication strategies when talking with our children and teens. For this one, I had to bring on Noelle Ward founder of Life Skills for College as well as the award-winning LifeLabs. These are two programs that teach children life skills for success. Noelle is a Licensed Occupational Therapist, working with diverse individuals of all ages and abilities. She is also the Director of Rehabilitation for a large home health and hospice organization. She is responsible for the therapy programs and quality of physical therapy, occupational therapy and speech therapy throughout the state of Alabama. Alongside her profession, she’s married with two kids, so she knows a bit about this parenting thing. Noelle is breaking down barriers for verbal and non-verbal communication while offering actionable strategies for parents and caring adults, so they support sexual health talks with the children in their lives. This episode is packed with helpful tips, so let’s get to it!”

Melissa Carnagey: “Noel, how are you?”

Noelle Ward: “I’m great, thanks! How are you, Melissa?”

M.C.: “I’m doing very well. So let’s get started with you telling us just a little bit about your journey.” 

N.W.: “Great! Well, I’m an Occupational Therapist by background, and I have been working in leadership roles the majority of my career, for about 20 years. And I noticed over the past, about the past 10 years, I was working with a lot of new graduates, college students and I was noticing… I was mentoring and coaching them a great deal because they didn’t have the life skills they needed to navigate not only the workforce but just their lives in general. I was seeing this on a regular basis, and I was seeing people that were not happy in their current role in work or life and they were blaming this on their situation but it wasn’t their situation. It’s because they didn’t know how to navigate the situation, especially with communication, which we’ll be talking about today. So I thought of this and I thought, we really need to have a stronger workforce. Our young people deserve to have these skills and to be set up for success. And we really need to start cultivating that at a much younger age and that’s kind of how I came to start this business and this journey- So that I could serve teens and their families and help them gather those skills for success.” 

M.C.: “That’s amazing ‘cause I can certainly say as the parent of an 18-year-old freshman in college, this whole need for them to be prepared for adulting is a specific set of skills that we need to be preparing them for. So when I originally came across your work the way that you had packaged it so well both visually and in the written word, these nuggets of knowledge and the different tools and resources to families- I wish I found you sooner, when she was a junior and a senior because it’s a lot of preparation!” 

N.W.: “It really is, and thank you for saying so. It is and there’s so much you know through the high school years, you’re just trying to get them through their schoolwork and get them into college, and doing college applications and scholarships and all these other things. And they’re usually busy in their social life. It is a lot to take in. So we try to provide easy resources for families to get through that.” 

M.C.: “Well, you’re hitting it out of the park…” 

N.W.: “But as you said, adulting. That is what it’s all about…” 

M.C.: “Yeah, you’re hitting it out of the park. And you also are a parent, is that correct?” 

N.W.: “That is correct, I do have two children. I have one that is 8 and one that is 10. The 9-year-old turns 10 in a couple of weeks.”

M.C.: “Right, I always have to calibrate myself to all the children’s ages. Because it’s like they don’t turn the same age at the same time. That would be helpful. Not for the pocketbook for birthday parties though (laughs). Tell us a little bit about the difference between verbal and non-verbal communication, and what parents should be aware of when they are looking to foster some awareness around that with their young people.” 

N.W.: “Yes, so verbal communication is the words that we use and non-verbal communication is pretty much everything else, from body language to our tone of voice, and in our inflection that we use in our speech, to even our space like how close we stand to somebody. Because if you’re standing really close to somebody, you can be trying to intimidate them or you may be saying I’m very comfortable around you. So facial expressions, tone of voice, body language- all of those things. And we believe the non-verbals more so than the verbal. But our words only make up 7% of communication. So that means 93% of what we communicate is done non-verbally.”

M.C.: “That’s huge.” 

N.W.: “Yes, it is really big and so I think that’s something that’s really important to talk about with our kids. Because kids are really good at expressing themselves with nonverbal cues but they’re not as good as reading the non-verbal cues, and it’s part of just where their brain is developmentally. So it’s helpful for us parents to be able to read those cues but it’s also helpful for the kids to learn what they are really saying what they’re nonverbals. For example the eye roll, we’ve all seen the eye roll, and the eye roll is either a sign of boredom but it’s usually a sign of disrespect. So we know what they’re saying. For example, when my kids do that, I say ‘that’s really disrespectful, and that’s what you’re saying right now.’ And so being able to address those nonverbals is critical as parents but it’s important to teach our children what they are really saying with their nonverbals.”

M.C.: “Right and so what I heard in that example was that you are modeling at that moment… You’re modeling for them how to point out that nonverbal, how to bring attention to that nonverbal so that then it becomes something that you both can discuss. Or that can be that moment where you can gauge whether you’re reading the nonverbals correctly. Is that accurate?”

N.W.: “That’s exactly right! Because we can misinterpret the nonverbals, and we do want to make sure that what we’re interpreting, it is the message they’re trying to send. And it’s really critical for teens and children because this is where a lot of drama comes into play. They are communicating with non-verbals between each other because they don’t know how to articulate what their feelings are or they’re scared to articulate because they’re afraid they’re going to hurt the other person’s feelings. So they start to act and communicate with non-verbal cues.”

M.C.: “What’s coming to mind for me is that parents, as the mentors and highest influencers, there is some responsibility there in us modeling that. And so as we go about life and our children are observing us, whether that’s in our own relationships, in partnered scenarios or marriage scenarios, and they’re observing how we’re communicating and whether we are truly being authentic and showing up and addressing these kinds of things. Modeling seems to be a big component, right?”

N.W.: “Yes, it’s huge. So I do this a lot with my children when they say one thing but their nonverbal says something else. I was talking with my daughter the other day. I could tell she was ready for the conversation to end, and so I said, ‘Based on how you’re positioned, your knees are at your chin, your arms around your knees, you’re not looking at me. I’m getting the feeling you’re ready to end this conversation.’ And so by pointing out what I’m seeing, then I teach them to do the same thing. For example, if I say I’m not mad at you, clearly you don’t believe me because my arms are crossed and I’m not looking at you and I’m using that tone. Even though my words say I’m not mad at you, everything else about what I’m communicating says that I am. And for children it’s really hard….even adults how do we address it if that’s not the words you’re using? And so what I teach my children to do, I model for them, I say, ‘You’re not mad at me but you won’t look at me. You’ve been ignoring me and that’s the part I believe, and I thought we were friends. Can we talk about that?’” 

M.C.: “Oh I like that!” 

N.W.: “You know I say a lot with my children ‘You say you’re okay, and you’re fine but your body language… you’re kind of hunched over, you’re not engaging in the conversation, you keep looking down… It doesn’t look like you’re okay, and it looks like you may not be ready to talk about it. But I want you to know that when you’re ready, I’m here to listen.”

M.C.: “Great, I love that! That last piece that you said is so important, especially in terms of sex-positive parenting and when we try to approach sexual health discussions, it’s remembering that it doesn’t all need to happen right now. You know, forcing the conversation, and so I love that you point out that ‘when you’re ready, I’m here.’ “

N.W.: “And sometimes I think they’re still processing it or not ready to talk about it yet because they haven’t quite processed it in their mind what they want to talk about yet.”

M.C.: “Yes. What advice do you have or how might you support your child because this can feel like confrontation, right? Like if you’re bringing these things up and not everyone is comfortable in something that feels like a conflict or that feels like confrontation. How do you suggest supporting people or getting people to maybe reframe that?”

N.W.: “Basically I’m trying to teach assertive skills. And assertive feels aggressive when you’re first learning how to do it and so using a lot of “I” statements for example: “Here’s what I feel right now, is this true?” Or you might say “Here’s what I’m trying to say and I’m not sure I’m saying it right. Can you explain it back to me to make sure I’m doing a good job?” Or “I feel like I might have hurt your feelings based on what I see right now, is that true?” So that’s a good place for kids to start because if they point back to themselves they are usually much more comfortable with it. So that’s a starting point and then they start to build confidence. Later on, when you are having these conversations and addressing things it may not be as direct, you may say “You know you said you’re not mad at me but it doesn’t feel like that’s true. Are you sure you’re not mad at me?” Because you know, that’s kind of how it starts. And then you start building to a point where you can be much more direct about the facts and what you’re saying and ask for more engagement.”

M.C.: “Yes. These are such important and great skills. I’m thinking about our adult relationships, and our work relationships, and our friendships, and our intimate relationships. These are skills, right? That we need to be applying to all relationships and it just hasn’t happened. Those skills just haven’t happened for all of us. And so I think a lot of parents are having to calibrate in this new way of relating to our children that isn’t so much about a power dynamic, right?” 

N.W.: “Mhm, that’s right…”

M.C.: “It’s about that respectful and honest communication.”

N.W. “I think in relationships, especially even in early adulthood, there are often times where you’re going to get the silent treatment. And the silent treatment is a way of communicating, but it’s not a way of moving forward. And so you have to be able to, if you’re in the relationship getting the silent treatment, whether that’s a friendship or romantic interest… You really have to be able to bring that up and address it, say ‘I’m really getting the silent treatment here, can you tell me what I’ve done so we can talk about this?’ And again it might be one of those things of, ‘it seems like you’re upset with me and you may not want to talk about it right now. I would like to talk about it if and when you’re ready.’ “

M.C.: “When in the context of sexual health discussions, when a parent may be feeling a little anxious already about the subject matter or maybe feeling a little awkward or less comfortable, what suggestions do you have for how they can maybe step into that discussion or that interaction with more confidence? And especially as they’re seeking to create a space of openness where their children will feel comfortable in the interaction.”

N.W.: “Sure. And I think it is a struggle. It’s something that I continue to work through, so I think that one way to go about it is that again giving them space and to say ‘look I’m not going to force this down your throat. We’re going to talk about it’ and really try to cultivate their curiosity. Because oftentimes they really do want to know but they’re just uncomfortable or not sure how to have that dialogue. It’s often like you said, the adult may be uncomfortable too and again we’re sending nonverbals saying ‘I’m a little uncomfortable in this conversation, how do we proceed?’ So a couple of suggestions is to watch their body language. And that when you’re having these conversations look for signs that they’re starting to get uncomfortable and then back up and shift to a different point of safety. I’ll give you an example… When my son was 8 years old we are having conversations about sex and changing bodies and things of that nature. And at one point he started to kind of shut down, started to look uncomfortable and I thought ‘okay, something has changed here and he is no longer comfortable with this conversation.’ So I started to ask him a few questions. I said, ‘Now it seems like you’re feeling a little more uncomfortable. Can you help me understand?’ And it turned out, we had started looking through a book and in the book it had a cartoon of a naked adult woman and male in the corner. And it was so distracting to him he couldn’t hear anything else and he didn’t like that picture. So once we figured that out I said, ‘Okay, let’s close the book. Are you comfortable continuing this discussion or do you feel like we need to stop?’ He said, ‘As long as we’re not looking at the book, we can keep talking.’  So being able to watch for those cues and then adjust accordingly is really helpful. And then there are other times where it’s like, ‘You know what, I think we’ve had enough of this conversation now. You’re starting to tune me out. You’re starting to look so uncomfortable that you can’t hear the message. It is okay. Let’s come back to this later.’ And I have found that little bits at a time for us have been very successful.”

M.C.: “I love that example in terms of our younger children. What ideas or suggestions do you have for when we’re talking about our teens or young adults and especially if… Because I know we have some listeners who are just getting acquainted with sex-positive parenting and their children are a little older and they didn’t start those conversations early, they can’t go back, right? We can’t go back in time and change that. So now that our children may be older and they’re unique communication patterns are at play and they may already have a good bit of knowledge that they picked up from the world around them about sex and sexuality and the body. Now we’re coming to them looking to engage, what advice do you have again from the context of these communication strategies for that parent who’s feeling like ‘I might have waited a little bit too long but I do want to have these conversations and I don’t want to be off-putting.’ What do you suggest there? “

N.W.: “I found the most effective way to approach those conversations is by sharing stories. And it can be a story of your own or can be something that you see on a TV show or the news and say, ‘Here’s something that came up’… and especially after watching TV together or even if you’re not watching TV together, ‘I was watching this the other day and here’s the scenario that happened and how they handled it and I think I would have done it a little differently. What do you think you would have done?’ And that starts a very comfortable, safe conversation that can then start going into the next phase. It could be a story about relationships or it could be a story about a romantic interest. And so if you just kind of start and jump in abruptly with, ‘Let’s get straight to the sex talk’, they’ll shut down on you. So you have to kind of warm them up and get up into that conversation another way that’s maybe a more safe way related to relationships in general.”

M.C.: “Absolutely I love that and using the world around you is what I hear also in that, right?”

N.W.: “Yes, absolutely use examples from the world around you, from the news or from whatever Netflix show they’re binging right now. And then again, even then what you say this is ‘what I see in the world’ give them a specific example may be something that you’ve experienced that was similar to that because that makes you more vulnerable. And it puts down their guard because once they know that you have been through it, you can ask them those questions. Once you show that you’re comfortable talking about these things, they are more comfortable asking.”

M.C.: “Yes, I love this! I’m just eating this up so much. Here we are in the context of sexuality and sexual health but these are just communication skills and they can be applied across all aspects of just relationships and relating from one individual to another. So if folx are having some trepidation or discomfort these are just some core skills that have nothing to do with sex, that if you apply them or be conscious in practicing them and you can practice them in your every day other scenarios. And you just then can insert a little of the angle of sexual health and sexual content but at the core is just about how we relate to others, right?”

N.W.: “That’s exactly right…” 

M.C.: “So lately as a culture, our American culture in particular, because we have folx listening from all over the world, in our American culture we recently have experienced an awakening right? The MeToo movement where the importance of communication and the context of consent is coming to light. So what does that mean to you in terms of this framework of teaching communication strategies in and around consent?”

N.W.: “Yes. Okay so back to the concept of we believe in nonverbals over our words and nonverbal communication is 93% of what we communicate and our words are only 7%. That’s an important concept to realize, that that is how we communicate in general. And so when people say, ‘She said no, but she meant yes.’ That’s why they think that because they’re reading nonverbals. Now that doesn’t mean that you’re reading the non-verbal correctly, for example, we might have a crush on somebody and we’re looking for the non-verbal cues to support what we want. We want them to be interested in us too so sometimes we just look for what we want to see and ignore the rest. And so that is why it’s so critical that we do teach our kids how to use their words to clearly articulate their needs. No means no, that’s very empowering because even if someone is interpreting my nonverbal communications as saying something else, the no, means no. So we do need to be teaching all of our children to say no, and also how to articulate their other needs. And when you talk about their other needs, for teens it’s really hard because they’re still exploring. They don’t always know what their boundaries are because they’re exploring and pushing the boundaries. So they might have certain things like well I’m not going to have sex but oral sex I’m not sure about or I’m uncomfortable kissing this person. But that’s it they have to first have to have a feel for what their boundaries are to articulate those boundaries. That’s where the dialogue with the parents is really helpful because it helps give them the framework, you kind of need to think of these things in advance when you can because you don’t want to get in those situations. It’s a lot fuzzier and gray and that’s where we tend to get ourselves into trouble. You can’t state your needs if you don’t know what your boundaries are.”

M.C.: “I hear in this truth that as parents are wrestling with their comfort level of having an open and candid conversation about sex with their young people than we are missing out on the opportunity to have that planning, those planning discussions, and to allow them the space to explore what their real needs are in that present moment. You know there are a lot of parents that may feel intimidated by that or afraid or uncomfortable to hear what those might be, maybe making assumptions about what those might be, but I’m hearing that you’re saying we absolutely need to find a way to allow for space because in that is the opportunity for us to have influence in terms of helping them with their decision-making and critical thinking before they get into these situations.”

N.W.:“That’s right. One thing that can be really helpful and a way to start those conversations with our children as well as to think about having a conversation. What do you want your first kiss to look like? Or the first time you were intimate with somebody? The first time you do have intercourse with somebody, what do you want that to look like? Just talk to them because you really want them to have a good experience when that happens. And if they are with a partner who is maybe much more experienced than they are, that can be a power struggle there. You might want to say, ‘You don’t want to be intoxicated when this happens. It can give you some liquid courage, but you also might regret things the next day and you might not have made the same decisions.’ You can talk about how to build up and make that first time whether the first kiss or just getting intimate with somebody. What it should look like to make it a good experience because that’s a lot more of a safe place for parents to start a conversation.”

M.C.: “We want to help prepare them for success and like a lot of your work focuses on terms of adulting with all of these other skills, right? This is another skill. This is another life skill and unfortunately, our culture in the American culture, in particular, has been more sex-negative so it’s like it’s soiled and made this whole topic of sex and anything that remotely has anything to do with it unsafe or foreign or sexualized. And so, therefore, it feels again like there’s this huge wall and we don’t want to cross over it. It’s not like this is a rite of passage. It’s not like okay now that you’re 18 you can go off and have all the sex that you want and it’s going to be wonderful and perfect. Just like I think you brought up in one of your posts about marriage, right? Like how well are we preparing our children for this success in these pieces of their life that have to do with intimate relationships and intimacy.”

N.W.: “Right. We spend a lot more time focusing on the wedding day. We will spend an entire year planning for the wedding day but not spend a lot of time teaching them how to be in a relationship and what that looks like. Part of it is because we were not taught about that or we don’t know how to talk like that and the language to frame that.”

M.C.: “How would you define sex positivity and how does it show up in your life?”

N.W.: “Sure. I think that sex positivity is being able to discuss sex, being open about it and being open about intimacy and not being fearful of it. It is something that is pleasurable and I don’t want my children to grow up being scared of it. And so there is a balance of you don’t also want them to explore things too early, but I do want them to enjoy it. I have too many friends that have grown up thinking that it was a bad thing. So even as adults, they don’t enjoy their sex life and I find that to be so sad. I grew up in a family where we talked about everything, and it was very empowering for me and actually, I found that I was much later to explore than my friends because I felt like I had a lot of my questions answered and I was very comfortable. I didn’t just have to figure these things out on my own versus my other friends who got no coaching of any kind. They explored much earlier than I did. I also find, for example, when I was in college… we were 19 years old, and I had a friend who got married in college and she grew up in a very conservative home and had been saving herself for marriage. She had never really been intimate with her fiance. Hardly any way at all, and she was even uncomfortable just being in lingerie in front of him. I thought, that is so sad…How are you going to enjoy any of this if you can’t be comfortably clothed in front of your soon-to-be husband? Then, the girls, we all talked about trying to set expectations for that first night and here’s how to enjoy that first time because the penetration itself may not be the part you enjoy. We gave her some lubricant and explained the intimacy, the kissing of the neck and all those other components that are pleasurable. And then a few months later she kept complaining that she kept going to the doctor because she had a urinary tract infection and she didn’t understand why, and she kept saying, ‘I’ve never had UTIs before and now I have them all the time.’ So I explained to her why that was happening and how to prevent that. She said, ‘How did you know that?’ and I said, ‘My mom told me,’ and she said, ‘Why didn’t I know? My mom never told me.’ And so I want to be sure I’ve prepared my children to know to be able to ask questions and to be able to understand their bodies and explore with pleasure and just be able to enjoy it when the time comes.”

M.C.: “That is beautiful. I’m excited for your children. I’m excited about their futures because it is so empowering to be able to prepare them in these ways and to know that you’re setting up that relationship for a lifetime. As they move through life and through their journey, and even as you move through yours, because as adults our journey through sexual health is going to shift and change. How awesome to be able to have the openness in your communication in your relationship with your young people. And as you both move through life, you really have a supportive mentor relationship and that’s available and how much safer, like you said, they tend to then understand, ‘Oh wow, this is a lot of responsibility, and I’m going to decide when I really feel ready for that.’ Versus, ‘I don’t know what I’m going to get myself into. It sure looks exciting or interesting. Let me go check it out.’ And who knows the grab-bag of scenarios that can come from that. We don’t even have to go to the darkest or most unsafe thoughts. But like you said, just merely that, ‘Well I am not really enjoying this and I don’t know why or what do I need to be doing differently… I feel like I should be enjoying this’ or ‘I should feel comfortable with this’ but again without that space in the early preparation and the openness, it really does inhibit their possibilities when it comes to their body and how they relate to others in their sexual health.”

N.W.: “Absolutely. And it’s not easy, I grew up in that environment and I still struggle with it. I’m so glad to have your podcast and I follow you on Instagram, and any other things to watch your work because it is very helpful. Again I think what you’re doing is giving us words and ways to approach this and articulate these needs so that we can be more comfortable, and you’re modeling for us how to do this, which is wonderful.”

M.C.: “Well thank you so much. What projects do you have coming up? I樂威壯
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N.W.: “Well I’ll be offering in January a communication course for teens and it’s something that is designed by college students. We asked college students on our team and did a lot of research and said, “What do you wish you had known or what do you wish you knew how to do more of now that we need to be teaching high school students how to do?” And so we have an online course where they can binge-watch content and videos. But it also gets dripped out to their phones because we have found more success than when it just comes to them a little bit at a time. It’s easier to absorb and so we’ll be offering that this month. They can find that at www.lifeskills4college/communication.

M.C.: “Excellent, excellent. That is such a helpful resource. Like I said, I wish I had found you sooner! But also I’ve had some great conversations with my freshman in college about these topics… She’s connected to your Instagram now and follows your content, and she can completely attest to the fact that it’s just a pool of these young people. That many, many of them have not had any of the guidance or mentorship that your services promote and provide. And so you do end up having some floundering that’s happening and so it’s interesting then to see as they then get into that college space, in those new opportunities and that overstimulation of independence. You are aware of what that can look like for those that have been prepared with these different components of these skills and for those that are just trying to figure it out on their own.”

N.W.: “Yes, I think floundering is a good word. You know those who come more prepared, they don’t flounder as much. And it’s easier to navigate college and even high school when they have the basic skills versus having to learn on their own. When you’re also learning to live on your own, and you’re learning how to figure out college, it can be overwhelming.”

M.C.: “Absolutely. So how can families connect with you?” 

N.W.: “The best way to connect with me is on Instagram @lifeskills4college. That’s the best place to connect with me. I post regularly there and you can direct message me there any time, I check those regularly.”

M.C.: “Awesome and you have a freebie, right? If folx sign up for your email list?”

N.W.: “I do, actually on the website right now if they go to lifeskills4college/communication it actually takes you to the freebie for communication. It’s “The Top 10 Social Skills That Teens Need in the Digital Age.” 

M.C.: “And I think you… again you come up with the most clever things. You and your team are so clever in the fact that you utilize actual youth in helping to create the content and keep it relevant. You have this activity that has to do with grocery shopping, can you share a little bit about that because I think it’s genius!”

N.W.: “So when people get the freebie we send three bonus gifts after that via email over the course of a week. And one of those is a selfie scavenger hunt at the grocery store and it’s really fun! It’s a way that teens can go to the grocery store by themselves or as a group and take pictures of different things. The pictures of things parents have said: “Here are the things that we need to work on, and here’s what they know.” It’s everything. It’s not just bread and milk. Like how do you know how to pick the right fruit that is ripe? Do you know how to compare the prices based on cost per unit and things like that. There are many other life skills beyond communication that we discuss.”

M.C.: “I think that I could learn some things from that too!”

N.W.: “There are several things I learned as an adult and thought, ‘Gosh, I wish I would have known that years ago.”

M.C.: “Yes, definitely. Again, I love what you’re doing and I’m excited for our families to get connected to @lifeskills4college because it really offers such a gateway of opportunities for us to connect more deeply, and more purposefully with our young people. So that they feel prepared, more prepared than we may have felt when we entered into this world of adulting. So Noelle, thank you so much- this has been such a rich conversation and I am excited for families to get connected with the opportunities that you’re creating!”

N.W.: “Thanks, Melissa, I appreciate it. It’s been such a pleasure and an honor to be on your podcast and I am so looking forward to every one of your podcast episodes! I think it’s a fantastic thing you’re offering, and I can’t find anything else like it out there- this is wonderful.”

M.C.: “Thank you. Thank you so much.”

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